Re: FAQ Posting problem

VK said the following on 4/29/2006 3:30 PM:
> Randy Webb wrote:
>> VK said the following on 4/29/2006 9:13 AM:
>>> That would be a highly unwise decision because say comp.lang.javascript
>>> currently has 3460 active Gougle Groups subscribers,
>> 3460 in c.l.j or in all Usenet Groups?
>
> In c.l.j *only* - I gave some links to look at - against 200 last
> summer and ~1000 last December.

You read the chart wrong. That is not "Google Groups subscribers", it
looks more like the "Total number of posts to comp.lang.javascript". The
difference in huge.

>> But, I tend to agree with John, the people who post/answer from Google
>> Groups tend to follow the "I am using Google, so I don't know what the
>> F@#$K you are talking about, it shows what I am replying to up above,
>> why should I quote it?" mentality.
>
> Well, actually Google has a rather nice summary article at
> <http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=12348&topic=250>
> anyone can reach from the main Google News page. It seems to me that
> it's a demonization of Google to think that people using Google will
> skip on reading netiquette by their very nature :-), but news arents'
> users will read all recommendations first. In either case it's a
> question of good will and free time.

I don't see that trend here. Most people that use a decent newsreader
and have to go through the steps to set it up are more likely to be
introduced to an FAQ on how to set it up and thus more likely to find
out if a group has an FAQ. The users of Google Groups don't seem to do
that because there is nothing to setup. Fill out a form, start posting.
At a minimum, if Google Groups had a section somewhere in that process
that explained Usenet, and FAQ's, then it might not be so bad.

Now, a kudos to many of the Google posters. Once they have been beat in
the head about 25 or so times about reading the FAQ, how to post
properly, and Usenet in general, they tend to learn.

>> And, to date, I have not seen anyone that answers from Google Groups
>> that the answers they give tend to be ones you would want to keep track
>> of or read/follow the advice. Witness: electrician. (I will refrain from
>> using you in that example).
>
> It's good to know that there is at least someone to overpass VK's
> evelness :-)
>> I have one and am willing to share it if it would work with what Jim has
>> now. But, it requires authentication and that is the problem Jim has now
>> is that his software won't do the authentication part.
>
> The authentication part was already posted in this thread (look
> around). I can add the meat on the sceleton. Just keep in your mind
> that a regular news gateway from ISP doesn't do any good. I have one
> myself - but these gateways do not have NNTP login/pass authentication.
> You are authenticated automatically and seemlessly by the fact of using
> your ISP connection (so it goes within the global authentication you
> make on Internet connect).

Mine doesn't, it requires authentication.

> If you have a real account to give up: thus login/pass to connect by
> NNTP protocol to another server, - then you have coffee and I do sugar
> :-)

I have coffee, sugar and cream but the sad part is that I don't drink
coffee on a regular basis. Mountain Dew all the way! :)

-- 
Randy
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